Thoughts on communism in Panem

[kam]

I have read the books and been curious but now that the movie has come out, I've heard a lot of people arguing in the past few weeks about what kind of government Panem has. There have been a plethora of answers to this but one that struck me as interesting was the thought that Panem might be a communist state. What are your thoughts on this and if you agree what features in the movie make it truly communist.

[Sunshine]

It seems like Panem could be communist but even communism has its own freedoms, it almost seems like a Totalitarian sort of government if you don't know what that is you can look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism the way a Totalitarian government is set up and run its most likely it is that form.

[Conner]

I agree with a Totalitarian state. It seems to me Snow is a dictator. I wouldn't call it communism. District 13 seemed to be more of a communist concept. I thought Kat's comment regarding democracy and its flaws in the past were interesting. I also had some thoughts about the economy - its seemed to me the state in the capitol did own things like the TV broadcasting but that some in the capitol were much better off then others - maybe this is because of ownership issues. I hope that in the rebuild things are owned more cooperatively - like in District 12 the coal mine is owned by the employees. I must say this - she sure gave us a lot to think about when it comes to these issues. Thanks for brining up this matter. I look forward to hearing what everyone has to say.

[Sunshine]

Ya to me District 13 was a military dictatorship and they had to be in order to get have the second rebellion succeed.

[Conner]

Ya to me District 13 was a military dictatorship and they had to be in order to get have the second rebellion succeed.

I'm not sure if they had to be for the its success - maybe - but they did have to be for Coin's rise to power - have the districts and the Capitol destroy each other. I can only hope her remaining general see a better way.

[Cathy904]

Gosh. I think there's a serious political message to the books, that no form of government should be completely trusted. Wasn't that the lesson about Coin?

Likewise, our own political systems have been jumbled up in the last part of the 20th century and the first part of the 21st century. Communism has embraced some tenents of capitalism, and democracy has embraced some tenants of socialsim.

District 13 is pretty socialist to me.

Capitol City is great for it's 1%-ers, but Panam works for all the pleasures enjoyed in the Capitol, and invitations are rarely given out, even to goverment officials, to visit. It's a life of luxury in the Capitol City, and poverty or near poverty everywhere else.
I'm not sure what kind of government that is.

[Conner]

Gosh. I think there's a serious political message to the books, that no form of government should be completely trusted. Wasn't that the lesson about Coin?

Likewise, our own political systems have been jumbled up in the last part of the 20th century and the first part of the 21st century. Communism has embraced some tenents of capitalism, and democracy has embraced some tenants of socialsim.

District 13 is pretty socialist to me.

Capitol City is great for it's 1%-ers, but Panam works for all the pleasures enjoyed in the Capitol, and invitations are rarely given out, even to goverment officials, to visit. It's a life of luxury in the Capitol City, and poverty or near poverty everywhere else.
I'm not sure what kind of government that is.

Fascism I would call it. 1% prospers - I guess would could be nice and say 2%. The rest of the Capitol thinks they have it good but they are manipulated and controlled and left with empty lives which I guess is better then the districts which are basically enslaved. Too me 13 was basically a Soviet style Communism. So, the questions SC does not get to - the conversations she does start, the book that would have to be wrote by Peeta which follows is what government does Panem get in the end? I say Peeta because Katniss is not the building - she is the warrior and Peeta means stone/rock and Peter build the Roman Catholic Church (which SC is), he backs and designs and I figures builds. Anyway - so what follows??? That would probably be a boring book comparatively because building is always harder and takes longer and isn't full of the excitement of destruction. Still, I'd like to read it for two reasons 1) I'd like to see Panem get to a place with a truly good government and 2) I'd like to see Peeta and Katniss just live a nice quiet life. I don't think the ideal government would be communism per-say but I think it would be cooperative, people would work together and value one and other, much more then we do in America now.

[sallyJan]

fine ,thinks!




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[Tom]

Fascism I would call it. 1% prospers - I guess would could be nice and say 2%. The rest of the Capitol thinks they have it good but they are manipulated and controlled and left with empty lives which I guess is better then the districts which are basically enslaved. Too me 13 was basically a Soviet style Communism. So, the questions SC does not get to - the conversations she does start, the book that would have to be wrote by Peeta which follows is what government does Panem get in the end? I say Peeta because Katniss is not the building - she is the warrior and Peeta means stone/rock and Peter build the Roman Catholic Church (which SC is), he backs and designs and I figures builds. Anyway - so what follows??? That would probably be a boring book comparatively because building is always harder and takes longer and isn't full of the excitement of destruction. Still, I'd like to read it for two reasons 1) I'd like to see Panem get to a place with a truly good government and 2) I'd like to see Peeta and Katniss just live a nice quiet life. I don't think the ideal government would be communism per-say but I think it would be cooperative, people would work together and value one and other, much more then we do in America now.

Agree that Panem is more of a fascist state and D13 (technically a part of Panem) a socialist one. Panem is built on a foundation of inequality with the master class (The Capitol) enslaving the lesser class (The Districts). The authoritarianism in Panem is borne out of keeping the national fabric together, but ultimately rather than serving the whole nation it's to serve the needs of the master class. On the other hand the authoritarianism in D13 is borne out of the need to conserve strained resources and maintain order in an extremely inhospitable living environment, but it seems otherwise very egalitarian, with everyone bound by the same rules and doing their assigned duty to keep society going.

I don't think Peeta is interested in politics any more than Katniss. Both characters simply want to live a quiet life away from the limelight. General Paylor, in her brief appearances in the last book, seems like a person of honour and integrity to me. Anyhow, if Panem were to become a free country an army general could only be a caretaker president until a new national constitution is drawn up. Gale, idealistic and a man of action, is the type of person who would play a major part in shaping and rebuilding a nation. My hope is that Gale is mature enough to suppress his fire and innate anger so that the new Panem will be founded on mercy and justice. Plutarch, the media savvy, career politican, will also play a big part in nation building. The danger is that being a master manipulator of public perception - he has thick blood on his hands over children's deaths - he might just be the "old-guard" who carries some form of the rotten old Panem into the new Panem.

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